Universal Death....

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Universal Death....

Postby JigginOG » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:35 pm

Is the infamous Daiwa Death Screw universal for non TWS reels?
I don't have schematics for part #s.
Does Daiwa still use them in their TWS reels?
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Re: Universal Death....

Postby Slazmo » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:08 pm

JigginOG wrote:Is the infamous Daiwa Death Screw universal for non TWS reels?
I don't have schematics for part #s.
Does Daiwa still use them in their TWS reels?
:-k


Suicide screws... yes. Their stainless metals are very soft...

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby JigginOG » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:37 am

I'm assuming Mag sealed bearings need to be pulled before doing any service?

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby BARRAMANIAC » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:39 am

The only mag seal bearing in baitcasters is the outer pinion bearing. the one under the cast control cap. you can service the reel as normal without affecting it as the magseal is contained in the bearing.

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby JigginOG » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:15 am

BARRAMANIAC wrote:The only mag seal bearing in baitcasters is the outer pinion bearing. the one under the cast control cap. you can service the reel as normal without affecting it as the magseal is contained in the bearing.

Gotcha.
I just thought that the Mag sealed bearing was the pinion bearing under the drive shaft retainer.

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby LgMouthGambler » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:20 am

Suicide/Death screw? What in the world?
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Re: Universal Death....

Postby iabass8 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:23 am

LgMouthGambler wrote:Suicide/Death screw? What in the world?


It's called the Daiwa Death Screw. It's the smaller of the 2 screws that holds the drive shaft retainer down. Daiwa likes to use red loc tite on this screw and it's notorious for being very soft and easy to strip. Every TD-Z from the 103, 100, and R+ all have had it. It's been discussed pretty heavily on here in the past. Usually ends up the point of discussion when asking what high end screwdrivers are good for maintenance.

OP, I don't believe my Tatula CT or Steez SV TW had loctite on it and was very simple to remove. My zillions, TD-Z's and 1 of my 1016s had it. Not all do.

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby Teal101 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:54 pm

Millionaires and Monoblocks get three of those pesky screws holding the handle sideplate on. My I'ze light is currently equipped with three of the non-removeable variety.
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Re: Universal Death....

Postby Slazmo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:55 pm

iabass8 wrote:
LgMouthGambler wrote:Suicide/Death screw? What in the world?


It's called the Daiwa Death Screw. It's the smaller of the 2 screws that holds the drive shaft retainer down. Daiwa likes to use red loc tite on this screw and it's notorious for being very soft and easy to strip. Every TD-Z from the 103, 100, and R+ all have had it. It's been discussed pretty heavily on here in the past. Usually ends up the point of discussion when asking what high end screwdrivers are good for maintenance.

OP, I don't believe my Tatula CT or Steez SV TW had loctite on it and was very simple to remove. My zillions, TD-Z's and 1 of my 1016s had it. Not all do.


The fact that some of these screws while not locktite'd down are still assembled by the lowest paid people and with mechanical drivers can still cause a screw to bind in and in turn be near suicidal to remove.

Im coming across quiet a few screws blown up from factory now. Using the proper driver yes imperative, however the right extraction and technique and pressure is also very necessary!

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby adam lancia » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:11 pm

Teal101 wrote:Millionaires and Monoblocks get three of those pesky screws holding the handle sideplate on. My I'ze light is currently equipped with three of the non-removeable variety.


Ugh, that makes my heart sink :sick:

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby cortman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:00 pm

Yep, partially stripped out one on the main gear pinion on my TD-ITO. ](*,) That screw is truly a pain.

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby DaisyZillion » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:59 pm

I currently have 2 stripped ones on the side plate of my 250 black sheep, I want to put a set of carbon drag washers in and it's killing me!

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby Teal101 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:34 am

DaisyZillion wrote:I currently have 2 stripped ones on the side plate of my 250 black sheep, I want to put a set of carbon drag washers in and it's killing me!

Thats exactly what happened to my I'ze light. I'll be extracting them or drilling them out.
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Re: Universal Death....

Postby iabass8 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:34 am

DaisyZillion wrote:I currently have 2 stripped ones on the side plate of my 250 black sheep, I want to put a set of carbon drag washers in and it's killing me!


If you are handy with a dremel, etch a tiny notch on 2 sides of the screw across from each other and use a flat head to turn it out. I've had to do this twice. I used a tiny, tiny etching bit and it worked like a charm. screw was toast obviously but it was being replace anyway.

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Re: Universal Death....

Postby JigginOG » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:06 pm

Has anyone tried removing the loctite before reinstalling the screw?


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