Wondering on different Shimano Greases

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Wondering on different Shimano Greases

Postby lifeofRiley » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:14 pm

Was doing research tonight on different Shimano greases and was curious about anyone elses experience with either permalube or ace2 grease. I know Shimano America used to sell permalube on request, but I'm not sure if they do anymore. I have a few high end shimano spinners in the 2500 size that I often use in both warm and very very cold weather. It seems like permalube is a very light grease which might function better or at least give the reel more of a "free" feeling in these circumstances. I am a very big Shimano fan, and have many many reels from them. Like always the main thing is just getting some form of lube in the right place. But I'm always interested in trying to find the best grease for the situation. Here's some related reading from an older TT post on the subject....

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Re: Wondering on different Shimano Greases

Postby ScoobyDoo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:27 pm

One thing I can say about greases....and I bet I'm like everyone...always looking for the best lube.................



That said. A lot of it is how much grease vs what kind. Slop it up good. And it'll slow it down.

For my surf gear...I go overboard.

For FW...all it takes is a thin coating

And make sure the mating surfaces are contaminant free..meaning...no oil residues or wd40 when applying fresh grease.

I'm playing with krytox 225 which is about the same price per volume as some recreational drugs. And will be playing with some moly pastes as well.

And for the most part since the majority of fw gearing is so lightly stressed...I don't think fancy grease makes a difference. As llong as that film stays put.

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Re: Wondering on different Shimano Greases

Postby Slazmo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:25 pm

One thing i have to stress is be very careful with molybdenum greases and zinc alloys and aluminium gears! Some greases with surfactant thats meant for extreme pressures and high load gears and situations most being steel on steel etc require them, and they can be devastating on finer elements.

There are better anti wear agents out there for finer work especially with 0.05 or less micron sizing of the powders, in which you can suspend in your favourite grease or oil etc.

After working for Inox and going through quiet a few documents of other greases we have in Aust that were significantly tested against their own grease its quiet interesting to see what stacks up.

Biggest thing with greases and oils is not to over think it and look after your gear (dont dunk and keep it clean) and do routine 'quick' services between the majors as a top up.

Some of these boutique greases that cost $40 for 50ml are a waste of time and money imho.

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Re: Wondering on different Shimano Greases

Postby LgMouthGambler » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:45 pm

Slazmo wrote:One thing i have to stress is be very careful with molybdenum greases and zinc alloys and aluminium gears! Some greases with surfactant thats meant for extreme pressures and high load gears and situations most being steel on steel etc require them, and they can be devastating on finer elements.

There are better anti wear agents out there for finer work especially with 0.05 or less micron sizing of the powders, in which you can suspend in your favourite grease or oil etc.

After working for Inox and going through quiet a few documents of other greases we have in Aust that were significantly tested against their own grease its quiet interesting to see what stacks up.

Biggest thing with greases and oils is not to over think it and look after your gear (dont dunk and keep it clean) and do routine 'quick' services between the majors as a top up.

Some of these boutique greases that cost $40 for 50ml are a waste of time and money imho.


How about Cerulean grease, which is a tacky lithium based industrial grease?
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Re: Wondering on different Shimano Greases

Postby Slazmo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:41 pm

Lithium greases can be a hit and miss with some lithium complexes passing.

Never sat truely comfortable with lithium grease on aluminium due to it soaking up salt readily and that starting off galvanic corosion between dissimilar metals - all of which is made into a reel.

So many products exist and its another grease thats specialises in GP heavy equipment, so many exist which xan be used in adequate quantity as long asbthe NLGI isnt too high to hinder performance and bog down the fine workings of a reel.

As long as a grease is honest and its MSDS or technical spec sheet can qualify its use its fine...

P.s. can anyone find a MSDS or tech spec sheet for any of the Cals grease range? I wanted to get some for a few tests and they couldn't supply me the documents so i dropped them like a meat pie...


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