Is it true that US and Japanese line manufacturers have different lb rating system

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Re: Is it true that US and Japanese line manufacturers have different lb rating system

Postby QUAKEnSHAKE » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:08 am

Prancing Pony wrote:I'm very pissed atm because I can't figure out what my Spiderwire Stealth's true breaking strain is. I have spools of 6lb and 10lb, and I swear the 6lb Stealth's diameter is at least as large as a 20lb average braid.

Might be better to find out the knot strength. Most knots will break below the actual line strength.

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Re: Is it true that US and Japanese line manufacturers have different lb rating system

Postby Prancing Pony » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:36 pm

Randingo wrote:I remember a little blurb in an issue of In Fisherman probably 10-12 years ago. A guy caught a fish on 6lb Fireline he thought might qualify as a line class record. So he sent the documentation on the fish and a sample of his line to the IGFA to try to get his record certified. When the IGFA got back to him, they determined that his 6# Fireline broke at just over 20 pounds! Six pound Fireline is tiny, so it isn't just diameter. We're still learning about the properties of gel spun PE and how to best incorporate it into fishing lines. At the end of the day, you want to find a line that behaves the way you want and is consistent. It doesn't matter if 20# 832 actually breaks at 30 if it does what you want it to do, and if Sunline FX2 in 50# isn't as strong as you want it be, buy it in 60 instead. Those lines perform consistently, and even if Sunline labels their line with its true breaking strength and Sufix understates the breaking strength on their labels, you just need to find the one that works for you and the intended application.

I mention Sufix and Sunline because I have more experience with them. I'm sure Seaguar, Maxima, and many others are also consistent within their lines, so just find something you like that is consistent across different pound tests and stick with it.

I understand what you mean but it still cannot be an excuse for the companies not labeling their products correctly.

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Re: Is it true that US and Japanese line manufacturers have different lb rating system

Postby Randingo » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:34 am

Prancing Pony wrote:I understand what you mean but it still cannot be an excuse for the companies not labeling their products correctly.


There's actually a significant problem that prevents US lines from switching over to an IGFA accurate labeling system: only a small percentage of their customers are educated enough to understand what's going on. For the rest of the consumers who have always bought, e.g. Trilene XT, they're going to think something's wrong because their ten pound test line no longer breaks at fifteen pounds, and they keep losing fish and tackle to breakoffs they never had before. The conclusion these anglers will reach is that their old favorite line now sucks and they have to try something else. I also wonder if there wouldn't be considerable retooling required for production. I don't know how fishing line is made, but I imagine each rated pound test has some machine(s) that controls the diameter of the line. If they suddenly switch over, I don't think they can just switch the machine that produces 12 and call it 17. If you want breaking strength to be accurate, then the manufacturer has to figure out what diameter really is 4# and 8#, etc.; otherwise, they'll have lines that come in 7#, 11#, 19#, etc., and less informed anglers won't understand what they're buying, and there will be no standard offerings from brand to brand or even line to line within the same brand. People want lines that are 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 17, 20 pound test, etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they'd confuse and annoy a big part of their customer base. Hell, I'm pretty detail oriented, and I find it difficult to decide which strength of a Sunline product I want to buy. 16# Supernatural probably breaks at the same point as 10# Sufix Seige. I know what to expect and how hard I can pull and set the hook with Seige, but I don't know what to expect from Sunline. If I go with Sunline 10# for applications that I used 10# Seige, I'm going to get lots of breakoffs. The best we can hope to get from American line manufacturers is the labeled strength and the actual breaking strength on the same package so people can begin to get used to reality. It'll take a long time after that before they'll go to a system where they label true strength.


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