St Croix Seviin reels

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St Croix Seviin reels

Post by LowRange » Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:56 am

Are you tired of aluminum framed reels with outdated dynamic braking? Do you want finally an affordable reel with high end performance!

Introducing the made in Asia SevIIn GF from St Croix.
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Designed, engineered and sold by Banax. Ordered in the USA from a made up reel entity owned by St Croix.

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There is a high end version too with an aluminum frame and centrifugal brake. I doubt that will make it seviin reels.

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This big 300 size might make it over through.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by dragon1 » Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:49 pm

Haha, good stuff and entertaining.

Thanks for posting.
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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Slazmo » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:14 pm

I have heard that St Croix warranty is "slappin", and their next reel will be punching specific.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by tincanary » Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Johnny A » Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:43 am

tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by LowRange » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:35 am

tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
Yeah, but in his defense he is just stupid and not actively malicious. I mean is it really "lies" if you are just wrong but you believe what you are saying?

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by dragon1 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:41 am

LowRange wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:35 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
Yeah, but in his defense he is just stupid and not actively malicious. I mean is it really "lies" if you are just wrong but you believe what you are saying?
Sounds like most of the NPC Zombie-Sheeple Apocalypse Nation...globally, to be fair.
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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Thunderblack1984 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:45 am

Not a bad looking budget reel! Love buying American made but hard to do that with reels. For bass fishing a graphite reel doesn't bother me. I'll try one at some point.
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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Thunderblack1984 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:46 am

Sounds like most of the NPC Zombie-Sheeple Apocalypse Nation...globally, to be fair.
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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by tincanary » Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:58 am

Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:43 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.
I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Johnny A » Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:30 am

tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:58 am
Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:43 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.
I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.
It's possible Banax could be doing the reels based upon St Croix design. Whoever did the first Revos used an Abu design. Difference is history. Abu was around for 90 years when they did the Revo.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by LowRange » Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:41 am

To me it's seems like a money grab. The cheapest baitcast reel you can possibly make is a plastic reel with a linear mag brake. This is why the lowest of the low end offerings all use this formula from good entry level reels like the Black Max to the cheapest of the cheap Aliexpress reels. To take one of those $10-$30 reels and then sell it for $100+ has always been a goal that various brands have aimed to achieve. If you can make it stick then it's a money printer.

It seems to me that rather than try to bring anything new into the space they want to try and trick a portion of anglers out of their money instead. They have even selected their user base as the targets of this which I find insulting. At least offer a comparable OEM made reel to what others are offering. $120 for a Black Max tier reel is insulting.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by NOLRAMB » Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:54 am

tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
That Glenn character locked the thread, he's as soft as Charmin toilet paper haha.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by tincanary » Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:43 am

Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:30 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:58 am
Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:43 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.
I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.
It's possible Banax could be doing the reels based upon St Croix design. Whoever did the first Revos used an Abu design. Difference is history. Abu was around for 90 years when they did the Revo.
Abu didn't use OEMs up until Pure Fishing took complete control of operations in 2000. Abu made all reels in Sweden until they merged with Garcia in '81, then their spinning reels were made in Japan while baitcasters stayed in Sweden and some models made here in the USA. These were all made in factories owned and operated by Abu Garcia. Pure Fishing took over in '98 but didn't force the hand of Abu until 2000 and slowly started making reels in China, Korea, and Taiwan. The Abu of the 20th century was just as good, if not better than Shimano and Daiwa of the day. Now they rely on OEMs for the majority of their products like anybody else. Since they own the trademarks to Magtrax and IVCB and other technologies they developed years ago, they can plaster it on any OEM product that's very similar or even identical in function to their initial offerings. The Magtrax system initially put forth by Abu when they released low profile models in the early 80s is near identical to the systems used by OEMs today. As it stands now, I highly doubt there is any real product development coming from Sweden. It's just too easy to use an OEM and stick your name on it. It's far more profitable than staffing an engineering team and developing the tooling, plus training people to use that tooling. Abu isn't the first company to slowly slide into irrelevancy by way of vulture capitalists.

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Re: St Croix Seviin reels

Post by Johnny A » Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:55 am

tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:43 am
Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:30 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:58 am
Johnny A wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:43 am
tincanary wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:30 am
On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.
You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.
I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.
It's possible Banax could be doing the reels based upon St Croix design. Whoever did the first Revos used an Abu design. Difference is history. Abu was around for 90 years when they did the Revo.
Abu didn't use OEMs up until Pure Fishing took complete control of operations in 2000. Abu made all reels in Sweden until they merged with Garcia in '81, then their spinning reels were made in Japan while baitcasters stayed in Sweden and some models made here in the USA. These were all made in factories owned and operated by Abu Garcia. Pure Fishing took over in '98 but didn't force the hand of Abu until 2000 and slowly started making reels in China, Korea, and Taiwan. The Abu of the 20th century was just as good, if not better than Shimano and Daiwa of the day. Now they rely on OEMs for the majority of their products like anybody else. Since they own the trademarks to Magtrax and IVCB and other technologies they developed years ago, they can plaster it on any OEM product that's very similar or even identical in function to their initial offerings. The Magtrax system initially put forth by Abu when they released low profile models in the early 80s is near identical to the systems used by OEMs today. As it stands now, I highly doubt there is any real product development coming from Sweden. It's just too easy to use an OEM and stick your name on it. It's far more profitable than staffing an engineering team and developing the tooling, plus training people to use that tooling. Abu isn't the first company to slowly slide into irrelevancy by way of vulture capitalists.
I used to work with an Abu designer when they had people in NJ, probably just before or about the time Abu started work on the Revo. I didn't learn about the Revo from American ads, I saw it first in Japan tackle porn. The first guy I saw with it was Imae, from Imakatsu. Abu had some very interesting ideas back in the day.

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